The Etymologies & Creativity

By Herb Wiggins, M.D.; Clinical Neurosciences; Discoverer/Creator of the Comparison Process/CP Theory/Model; 14 Mar. 2014
Many have been interested in etymologies, that is, the derivations and meanings and roots of words for quite some time. And how we figure out where those words and meanings came from. And the enormous potential for understanding & creativities latently lying within the fields
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It’s a result of massive comparison of similar words. The same word comparisons we commonly and very widely use to figure out how each language is related to others. It also shows how vowels, consonants and words can change over time. It’s in short a sum total of how we compare words, massively to create the relationships among the languages, to create the hierarchies of those relationships; such as the romance languages from Latin, the Teutonic languages, such as French (Gaulic), German, English, Dutch, etc.; or the Ungaro-Altaic language groups (Magyar, Estonian, Suomi, Sami, etc), the Semitic languages of ancient Egyptian, ancient and modern Hebrew, Arabic, Ethiopian Amharic, and Aramaic, for instance.
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All of those are found to be related, esp., but for the central Asian examples, and are Indo-European languages, to boot.
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So the comparison processes are shown to be working without limit, as well because in most every case massive comparisons are being done cortically in the language centers of the brain to detect those similiarities and their relationships. And here are some of the interesting events found over the last 40 years.
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The first real idea was that many words are very under-defined, and not very precise. in IT terms, they have less information content. But in fact this is an advantage, because it creates the hierarchies of our understanding, the levels of which are populated by the elements within the categories of Aristoteles, which create the hierarchies, as well.
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For instance, “tree” is not very precise, and can refer to a very, very large number of 10K’s of species, both living and extinct, as well..By comparing each tree to those known we at once ascertain where they fit in: in the oaks, the conifers, the cypressacae, the hardwoods, the apple tree family ( that is, the roses  ), and so forth.
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These relationships and associations of the trees are not only visual, but genetic as well. Thus the visual comparisons can translate to genetic relationships and details,too, being structure/function (S/F) relationships. So while the general category of tree, which can include hardwoods, flowering trees, the palms, even to stretch it, the tree ferns and the Calamites, Lepidodendrons, and Lepidophlois of the extinct tree families.
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So the word tree allows this, by being not specific and not but generally defined. The more specific they are, the more IT info they contain, until we get down the specific variations of the species of trees, esp. those of the cultivated varieties, which can be vast, indeed, esp. with the apples.
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Thus, we can take the apple, and see the apfel,and the apfalon (Avalon Isle) relationships. In French it’s Pomme and the Pomme de terre is the potato in English. & Kartoffel in German. But in Arabiya it’s Batatis, because there is NO “p” in Arabiya.
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&  we find out first examples of how the B and P can be interchangeable, in some languages. Meaning when we find Boutros in Arabiya we are looking at the Greek Petros.
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Taking this further, listening to Espagnol we hear the diphthong consonant, of the B/V when Havana is stated. It’s not the B OR the V, but a mix of the two. And this shows again how pronunciations and spelling and how those consonant changes can create new, but similar words.
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The same is seen with V and W in German versus English. We are talking comparative linquistics here, to put it another way. Vee in English is Fau in Deutsch. So that Vee, & double U (VW) is Fau Vay in Deutsch. But those are the same letters!!!
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This is how language works, by the individual variations on the complex system themes of the sounds corresponding to letters. & why etymologies are so damned interesting. Because it shows linguistic “processes” at work, which are both least energy and efficient, as well. & thus stable.
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In the ancient Egyptian there was a vowel shift from the 17th dynasty of the Tchehuti to the Ramessid. Moses, as in Aahmose (Amos, the first Pharaoh of the dynasty) became Ramesses from Ramose. This is a very slight change in mouth shape which goes from “o” to short “e”. And it’s easy then to see the shift and how it occurs.  Thus we have Moses of the Old Testament out of the 17th dynasty NOT the Ramessid which is a clear & archaeologically proven to be mistake.
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And then using that same word of Moses, we see the softening of the “s” to the “sh” of Moshe in modern Hebrew, compared to the old. This also is seen with Mas in Espagnol, being Mas (Mash) in Portuguese; & is also seen in English when we say Special, in American English (Inglish) it comes out “speshul”;  where as in proper, accepted English in London it’s Spessial. The same for Appreshiate in American versus Apresiate in English.
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Or as Churchil  so descriptively once said, The English and Americans, a common people separated by a common ocean and a common language.
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There are many other examples of these vowels and consonantal shifts. For instance the “th”, in the unvoiced versus the voiced “th”, as in Those versus “thin”. And then the D, or DH, sounds in Old English, as well. & in today’s German speakers who can’t say “th” either, but is always as my g’pa said, his mother being full blood Penn Deutsch, Dis and dat Tink! for “this and that thing”.
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Those are some  interesting aspects of our language, seen by comparison processing by our language centers, and indeed the rest of the cortical cell columns of Mountcastle systems.
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So we soon see that gift in English means a present such as given at special occ. of X-mas & birthdays, while it means in German, a Poison.
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On the other hand we see Tur, meaning Door in English, the same consonantal shift. The T being not voiced, the D being voiced. A simple connection of the positions of the tongue being the same, but the D requires a vocal cord activation while “tee” does not.
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So we find at once that we cannot be too dogmatic in our standards, or we miss the subtle points. Nor can we be too loose or we begin to admit too many loose associations, but not clearly related words. Those usually found by substantial, different word origins.
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Thus our findings in linguistics, esp. for the etymologies of words, not only established pronunciations, but NOT absolutely,  & only cpmparatively, which is in fact relativity description. How words are related to other words, clearly. & we learn as in the use of the tree, not to get too dogmatic about it, either.
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This is the sophrosyne, the “golden mean ” of creativity. It must make least energy sense, as in the positions of the tongue, mouth, and vocal cords use. But it can sometimes be otherwise.
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Sadly, information decays in time and we do NOT know what kinds of accents our ancestors used to state the same words as we do, let alone all those obsolete words and pronunciations, too. Given the vast numbers of English accents extant & used world wide, and even in the UK alone, from Manchester, to Liverpudlian, to Glasgow brogues, English in London and to Yorkshire. Or from Boston to NYC, to the southern accents of many kinds, to the standard English of the Midwest American. (which is not actually Midwest any more, but a hold over for when it was. It’s North Central US now!). Or the Philly or Chi City accents, either. Not to mention the racial groups in the US, which can have dialects which are simplifications of English, thus least energy, the so called Pigeon English seen in many ways, world wide, from the Pacific to the Caribbean, & markedly so.
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Thus the Etymologies AND the dialects give us much more information about language than we have had before, by this vast comparison processing of spelling, meaning and the dialectical forms of the same, at first, earliest, modern English.
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Old English offers a great many examples of this, but sadly we do NOT have accurate recordings of OE, & we cannot therefore be very sure about how those words were pronounced, exactly, 700 years ago. We now know dialects change, and can change markedly over time. Even the Thee & Thou of early Stuart times  and earlier Elizabethan English changed.  As seen in the earliest folios of Shakespeare and his associates.
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But the interesting point here is the “-gh and -ght” English word endings, with Ought, aught, eight, -ight, and others. We find so many forms of how “ought” is pronounced, that’s it’s really interesting, fully SIX different, confusing ways!!! Separated only by comparison usage, and thus the context of the surrounding words. For example, Awt,is said Ought, or Aught; then -ough as in cough, or hiccup as in Hiccough; then Ruff as in rough; then tuff as in tough, and so forth.
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That’s also found in words derived very clearly from the older Knecht, pronouncing the -echt as eckt. We see this in the German (& Scandinavian), Lands Knecht, which is very closely connected to the Knight as in “nite” in English, and indeed is the same word. And the OE gave it as Knight. and Night as opposed to Day the same way, too.  So the etymologies give not only the meanings of words and their origins, but doubly reinforce HOW those were likely spoken, even “though” we should not, wisely, be too dogmatic about it
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Because thermodynamically information decays in time. and thus the dialects spoken by our ancestors are largely lost to us, even as many whole languages have also been lost to us, as well. But comparison process thinking can partly, using the known rules re-constructed relatively speaking, give us some idea of what happened before.
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But, again, there is NO certain information, no absolute space, time& thus no total understanding possible of the languages, either. But we can apply the epistemology of Einstein to language as well as to physics, and description and mathematics. This substantially extends Einsteinian epistemology, largely, to most everything going on between our ears, for that matter.
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Therefore the Relativity of the Cortex in our language centers, as well as global, cerebrally,l very likely.
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And this:
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It’s very clear then that the CP creates creativity and understanding by creating by comparison processing of events in existence. Being the wellspring of creativity of most types, this simple system shows its value.
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Because when we need understanding how languages and their various forms are created, by using comparative linguistic methods, we can do so, clearly. But with the absolutes firmly forbidden & likelihoods being predominant. Thus preponderance of evidence, rather than dogmatic intolerance of differing views. There are no absolutes in linguistic analyses any more than there are in space/time physics or much else. It’s like QM, stochastic, probabilities & possibilities, rather than cut and dried, final certainties or deterministic to the end.
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Thus we begin to understand better how events come about within us and outside of us, by using the same, nearly (but not quite) universal principles of CP, S/F methods, LE, and Complex systems, process thinking, and the unlimited methods those create. Eschewing all the while, the idealistic fallacies that mental outputs are any kind of final or ultimate standard. Empirical events are the standards. Not what WE think merely, but what’s more likely going on by using our relativistic standards and our instruments; and photographic and related electronic imaging and recordings to confirm, improve & amplify our perceptions of events.
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And thus do the etymologies show us not only how our minds work, but how we create the organizations of our understanding. The creation of the Hierarchies of our knowledge, the indices, the dictionaries, the telephone and city directories. The hierarchies of the mathematics, starting with arithmetic and rising up thru algebras, which are also comparison processes, largely. and created, populated & processed and those hierarchies navigated by CP, as well.
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Our standards and conventions should be both loose enough to accommodate our understanding and explanations and to generate events, but tight enough to have real meanings, too.
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Thus studying etymologies, not only shows us how we group, categorize and hierarchically organize the known languages, dialects & tongues, but how we understand most everything else, using the same, common cortical column functions, the comparison processes active there in every normally thinking human beings. Regardless of cultural origins, we have this all in common. We speak and can understand all of the languages because they are all processed in our cortices by the same systems, virtually.
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& This is why the child can learn any language.. Because there is NO universal grammar. That’s looking for the black cat in pitch dark areas of vast size. When the cat is not there!!!
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It’s the common brain processes of the cortex which create the comparison methods we use, a la Dr. Paul B. Stark’s “Method of Comparison” at UC Berkeley. More accurately & less linearly, the MethodS (plural) of comparison.
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That’s what’s going on. and math cannot yet follow, nor can linear methods, nor deductive logics, either. But the higher logics of the CP can create these, can navigate these landmarks, the hierarchies which it creates, and organize them, as well, into verbal, visual and other kinds of maps. Those are the keys to understanding.
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The lowly, simple words we use hold that much meaning when studied etymologically, by comparison processing, clearly. & the way is now open to improvements in our creativities, our standards/conventions and in every field, as well. This is the promise of the new CP, LE, S/F, complex system and all the unlimited methods, techniques, skills, and devices, tools & technologies those can create. Without effective limit.  It’s a much more universal system than seen before, and we are on the cusp of that major epistemological, paradigmatic shift. the early part of yet another S-curve of exponential growth.
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S/F (structuralism) creates the details. And Eschewing idealisms creates the nearly unlimited possibilities, as well.

 

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Table of Contents

1. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 1
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-introduction/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=22&relatedposts_position=0

2. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 2
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-pt-2/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=3&relatedposts_position=1

3. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 3
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-pt-3/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=7&relatedposts_position=0

3A.. Extensions & Applications, parts 1 & 2.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

4. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 1
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/the-comparison-process-explananda-pt-1/

5. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 2
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/the-comparison-process-explananda-pt-2/

6. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 3
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/comparison-process-explananda-pt-3/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=17&relatedposts_position=1

7. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 4
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-comparison-process-comp-explananda-4/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=38&relatedposts_position=0

8. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 5: Cosmology
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/cosmology-and-the-comparison-process-comp-explananda-5/

9. AI and the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/artificial-intelligence-ai-and-the-comparison-process-comp/

10. Optical and Sensory Illusions, Creativity and the Comparison Process (COMP)
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/opticalsensory-illusions-creativity-the-comp/

11. The Emotional Continuum: Exploring Emotions with the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/the-emotional-continuum-exploring-emotions/

12. Depths within Depths: the Nested Great Mysteries
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/depths-within-depths-the-nested-great-mysteries/

13. Language/Math, Description/Measurement, Least Energy Principle and AI
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/languagemath-descriptionmeasurement-least-energy-principle-and-ai/

14. The Continua, Yin/Yang, Dualities; Creativity and Prediction
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/the-continua-yinyang-dualities-creativity-and-prediction/

15. Empirical Introspection and the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/81/

16. The Spark of Life and the Soul of Wit
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/the-spark-of-life-and-the-soul-of-wit/

17. The Praxis: Use of Cortical Evoked Responses (CER), functional MRI (fMRI), Magnetic Electroencephalography (MEG), and Magnetic Stimulation of brain (MagStim) to investigate recognition, creativity and the Comparison Process

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/the-praxis/

18. A Field Trip into the Mind

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/106/

19. Complex Systems, Boundary Events and Hierarchies

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/complex-systems-boundary-events-and-hierarchies/

20. The Relativity of the Cortex: The Mind/Brain Interface

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/the-relativity-of-the-cortex-the-mindbrain-interface/

21. How to Cure Diabetes (AODM type 2)
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/how-to-cure-diabetes-aodm-2/

22. Dealing with Sociopaths, Terrorists and Riots

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/dealing-with-sociopaths-terrorists-and-riots/

23. Beyond the Absolute: The Limits to Knowledge

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/beyond-the-absolute-limits-to-knowledge/

24  Imaging the Conscience.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/imaging-the-conscience/

25. The Comparison Process: Creativity, and Linguistics. Analyzing a Movie

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/comparison-process-creativity-and-linguistics-analyzing-a-movie/

26. A Mother’s Wisdom

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/a-mothers-wisdom/

27. The Fox and the Hedgehog

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/the-fox-the-hedgehog/

28. Sequoias, Parkinson’s and Space Sickness.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/sequoias-parkinsons-and-space-sickness/

29. Evolution, growth, & Development: A Deeper Understanding.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/evolution-growth-development-a-deeper-understanding/

30. Explanandum 6: Understanding Complex Systems

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/explandum-6-understanding-complex-systems/

31. The Promised Land of the Undiscovered Country: Towards Universal Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/the-promised-land-of-the-undiscovered-country-towards-universal-understanding-2/

32. The Power of Proliferation

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/the-power-of-proliferation/

33. A Field Trip into our Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/a-field-trip-into-our-understanding/

34.  Extensions & applications: Pts. 1 & 2.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

(35. A Hierarchical Turing Test for General AI, this was deleted after being posted, and it’s not known how it occurred.)

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

35. The Structure of Color Vision

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/the-structure-of-color-vision/

36. La Chanson Sans Fin:   Table of Contents

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/le-chanson-sans-fin-table-of-contents-2/

37. The Structure of Color Vision

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/the-structure-of-color-vision-2/

38. Stabilities, Repetitions, and Confirmability

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/stabilities-repetitions-confirmability/

39. The Balanced Brain

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/the-balanced-brain/

40. The Limits to Linear Thinking & Methods

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/the-limits-to-linear-thinking-methods/

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41. Melding Cognitive Neuroscience & Behaviorism

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/melding-cognitive-neuroscience-behaviorism/

42. An Hierarchical Turing Test for AI

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/an-hierarchical-turing-test-for-ai/

43.  Do Neutron Stars develop into White Dwarfs by Mass Loss?https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/do-neutron-stars-develop-into-white-dwarfs-by-mass-loss/

44. An Infinity of Flavors ?                             https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/an-infinity-of-flavors/

45. The Origin of Infomration & Understanding; and the Wellsprings of Creativity

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/origins-of-information-understanding/

46. The Complex System of the Second Law of Thermodynamics

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-complex-system-of-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics/

47. How Physicians Create New Information

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/how-physicians-create-new-information/

48. An Hierarchical Turing Test for AI

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/an-hierarchical-turing-test-for-ai-2/

49. The Neuroscience of Problem Solving

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/the-neuroscience-of-problem-solving/

50. A Standard Method to Understand Neurochemistry’s Complexities

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/a-standard-method-to-understand-neurochemistrys-complexities/

51. Problem Solving for Self Driving Cars: a Model.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/06/10/problem-solving-for-self-driving-cars-a-model/

52. A Trio of Relationships and Connections

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/a-trio-of-relationships-connections/

53: Einstein’s Great Subtleties:  Einstein’s Edge

https://wordpress.com/post/jochesh00.wordpress.com/583

54. The Problem of Solving P not Equal to NP

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/04/28/the-problem-of-solving-p-not-equal-to-np/

55. How to Create a Blue Rose

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/06/02/how-to-create-a-blue-rose/

56. The Etymologies of Creativity

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/06/14/the-etymologies-creativity/

57.  A Basic Model of a Unifying System of Most All Knowledge

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/07/06/a-basic-model-of-a-unifying-system-of-most-all-knowledge/

58. Understanding Psych with S/F Brain Methods

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/07/11/understanding-psychology-with-s-f-methods/

59. The Wiggins Prime Sieve

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/the-wiggins-prime-sieve/

60. The Complex System of Love

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/the-complex-system-of-love/

 

 

 

How to Create a Blue Rose

By Herb Wiggins, M.D.; Clinical Neurosciences; Discoverer/Creator of the Comparison Process/CP Theory/Model; 14 Mar. 2014
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There was recently a finalized attempt to make a blue rose and as usual came out with a purple one which was not honestly marketed, either. Plenty of those so called blue roses which are mostly purple, as well. But a true Blue Rose is not seen. & as the “Blue Rose” would make a LOT of money esp., and in the very least, at the Rose Bowl Parade every year, intense interest for 100’s of years has been made to find one.
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The problem is that the researchers are micromanaging and ignoring complex systems. Which is why the unintended purple rose came about, after years of work and $12 Millions invested, and failed. Simply by trying to put in a delphinidin gene into the rose genome, and then a modification, which didn’t work, either. The system is complex system, and cannot be reliably manipulated linearly, either. Everything has an effect on lots of other systems. So a single change is unlikely, like most linear thinking, to affect the whole and give the expected output.
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As usual, there was a disparity between what was expected and what was found. Festinger’s “cognitive dissonance” often seen with complex systems, struck again. OR as Asimov wrote about a leader in “The Foundation” series, “A direct man to the end!!!”
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This is how to do it and why it will work. There is a little known fact, yet it’s critical to understanding WHY and how things work between our ears. We know penicillin works. & we know did NOT at first know WHY 90 years ago, but THAT it did work to kill the bugs. We knew by its outcomes, by “its fruits”. IOW, our knowledge was incomplete, but we knew it worked, none the less. About 50 years later it was found out how it worked by blocking cell wall synthesis in susceptible bacteria. & with the appearance of PCN resistance, various new PCN’s have been created, including finding the cephalosporins, which were beta lactam rings, as well.
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But the antibiotic resistances occurred, again, unintended effects, unexpected. The universe of events doesn’t always work like our mental models do. There is a great difference between our models of events and how those actually work, as we are reminded nearly daily. The word is not the thing. The fallacy of the idealistic beliefs is that our brain outputs are NOT final truths, but stand only when those are compared to real events. The logical fallacy of idealisms is that brain outputs are somehow superior to events in existence. That’s what empiricism has taught us, and many don’t realize that fallacy even today, although Galileo knew it 400 years ago, very likely.
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This is how to block most all bacterial resistances; For the foreseeable future:
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Please peruse down to the paragraph beginning: ” Thus pharmacology is essentially massive trial and error….” That’s the beginning of the solution but takes one more, highly critical step to make it work without limits.
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We do NOT have to know how something works to know that it does. Paul B. Stark’s comparison methods show this occurring, as well.
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The Method of Comparison
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To get a deeper idea of what’s going on, let’s simply compare Luther Burbank’s methods of breeding plants he wanted, which was overwhelmingly successful compared to micromanaging and trying to insert genes into complex system genomes, which is highly unlikely to work, unless very, very lucky.
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What he did was to observe  & select the plants that he wanted in terms of taste, sizes and if they bred true or not. And then picked the ones he wanted by making a VERY great many of them, thus allowing genetic’s fullest diversity to present itself. In short, he let the natural systems do the genetics for him and didn’t have to delve into the genetics or manipulations of such complex systems such as 1000’s, even 10K’s of genes interacting, which cannot be solved logically nor mathematically, either. It’d take huge amounts of time. He Saw the larger picture, the forest for the trees.
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And that was basically how Burbank was so successful. He let natural systems show him the possibilities &  then chose the ones he wanted, and was wildly successful with this means. And why he succeeded whereas blue roses remain elusive.
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Thus we must use more complex system methods & let the natural systems do the sorting, looking NOT for the genetic manipulationa to work, but to let natural systems do the work of sorting for us.
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There are other blue pigments than delphinidine, for instance. Blue forget me nots have those, but expressing those in flowers is not easy. There is putunidin, also There are many kinds of flowers with blue pigments in them, but putting that gene into a rose plant, which has red pigments in the stems, and leaves, can be the problem. It will create a purple flower. So any kind of rose, which makes white flowers but does Not have the red pigments will work, possibly.
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The other point is making a blue flower plant cell fuse with a white flower rose. That’s the way to do it. Then choose those which have true blue rose outputs, that is, make a lot of plant fused cells, and then successively fuse with roses to make a blue rose, where the plant looks like a rose. That way, making sure at each stage, the flowers are blue. Let the natural systems select FOR a blue rose, against 100’s of trials. It will take some time but solves the sorting problem neatly, just as Burbank did.
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And that’s how to make a blue rose, very likely.