Month: November 2019

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1. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 1
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-introduction/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=22&relatedposts_position=0

2. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 2
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-pt-2/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=3&relatedposts_position=1

3. The Comparison Process, Introduction, Pt. 3
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/le-chanson-sans-fin-the-comparison-process-pt-3/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=7&relatedposts_position=0

3A.. Extensions & Applications, parts 1 & 2.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

4. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 1
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/the-comparison-process-explananda-pt-1/

5. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 2
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/the-comparison-process-explananda-pt-2/

6. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 3
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/comparison-process-explananda-pt-3/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=17&relatedposts_position=1

7. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 4
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-comparison-process-comp-explananda-4/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=38&relatedposts_position=0

8. The Comparison Process, The Explananda 5: Cosmology
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/cosmology-and-the-comparison-process-comp-explananda-5/

9. AI and the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/artificial-intelligence-ai-and-the-comparison-process-comp/

10. Optical and Sensory Illusions, Creativity and the Comparison Process (COMP)
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/opticalsensory-illusions-creativity-the-comp/

11. The Emotional Continuum: Exploring Emotions with the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/the-emotional-continuum-exploring-emotions/

12. Depths within Depths: the Nested Great Mysteries
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/depths-within-depths-the-nested-great-mysteries/

13. Language/Math, Description/Measurement, Least Energy Principle and AI
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/languagemath-descriptionmeasurement-least-energy-principle-and-ai/

14. The Continua, Yin/Yang, Dualities; Creativity and Prediction
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/the-continua-yinyang-dualities-creativity-and-prediction/

15. Empirical Introspection and the Comparison Process
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/81/

16. The Spark of Life and the Soul of Wit
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/the-spark-of-life-and-the-soul-of-wit/

17. The Praxis: Use of Cortical Evoked Responses (CER), functional MRI (fMRI), Magnetic Electroencephalography (MEG), and Magnetic Stimulation of brain (MagStim) to investigate recognition, creativity and the Comparison Process

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/the-praxis/

18. A Field Trip into the Mind

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/106/

19. Complex Systems, Boundary Events and Hierarchies

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/complex-systems-boundary-events-and-hierarchies/

20. The Relativity of the Cortex: The Mind/Brain Interface

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/the-relativity-of-the-cortex-the-mindbrain-interface/

21. How to Cure Diabetes (AODM type 2)
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/how-to-cure-diabetes-aodm-2/

22. Dealing with Sociopaths, Terrorists and Riots

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/dealing-with-sociopaths-terrorists-and-riots/

23. Beyond the Absolute: The Limits to Knowledge

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/beyond-the-absolute-limits-to-knowledge/

24  Imaging the Conscience.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/imaging-the-conscience/

25. The Comparison Process: Creativity, and Linguistics. Analyzing a Movie

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/comparison-process-creativity-and-linguistics-analyzing-a-movie/

26. A Mother’s Wisdom

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/a-mothers-wisdom/

27. The Fox and the Hedgehog

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/the-fox-the-hedgehog/

28. Sequoias, Parkinson’s and Space Sickness.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/sequoias-parkinsons-and-space-sickness/

29. Evolution, growth, & Development: A Deeper Understanding.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/evolution-growth-development-a-deeper-understanding/

30. Explanandum 6: Understanding Complex Systems

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/explandum-6-understanding-complex-systems/

31. The Promised Land of the Undiscovered Country: Towards Universal Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/the-promised-land-of-the-undiscovered-country-towards-universal-understanding-2/

32. The Power of Proliferation

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/the-power-of-proliferation/

33. A Field Trip into our Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/a-field-trip-into-our-understanding/

34.  Extensions & applications: Pts. 1 & 2.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

(35. A Hierarchical Turing Test for General AI, this was deleted after being posted, and it’s not known how it occurred.)

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/extensions-applications-pts-1-2/

35. The Structure of Color Vision

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/the-structure-of-color-vision/

36. La Chanson Sans Fin:   Table of Contents

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/le-chanson-sans-fin-table-of-contents-2/

37. The Structure of Color Vision

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/the-structure-of-color-vision-2/

38. Stabilities, Repetitions, and Confirmability

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/stabilities-repetitions-confirmability/

39. The Balanced Brain

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/the-balanced-brain/

40. The Limits to Linear Thinking & Methods

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/the-limits-to-linear-thinking-methods/

41. Melding Cognitive Neuroscience & Behaviorism

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/melding-cognitive-neuroscience-behaviorism/

42. An Hierarchical Turing Test for AI

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/an-hierarchical-turing-test-for-ai/

43.  Do Neutron Stars develop into White Dwarfs by Mass Loss?https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/do-neutron-stars-develop-into-white-dwarfs-by-mass-loss/

44. An Infinity of Flavors ?                             https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/an-infinity-of-flavors/

45. The Origin of Infomration & Understanding; and the Wellsprings of Creativity

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/origins-of-information-understanding/

46. The Complex System of the Second Law of Thermodynamics

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-complex-system-of-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics/

47. How Physicians Create New Information

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/how-physicians-create-new-information/

48. An Hierarchical Turing Test for AI

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/an-hierarchical-turing-test-for-ai-2/

49. The Neuroscience of Problem Solving

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/the-neuroscience-of-problem-solving/

50. A Standard Method to Understand Neurochemistry’s Complexities

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/a-standard-method-to-understand-neurochemistrys-complexities/

51. Problem Solving for Self Driving Cars: a Model.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/06/10/problem-solving-for-self-driving-cars-a-model/

52. A Trio of Relationships and Connections

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/a-trio-of-relationships-connections/

53: Einstein’s Great Subtleties:  Einstein’s Edge

https://wordpress.com/post/jochesh00.wordpress.com/583

54. The Problem of Solving P not Equal to NP

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/04/28/the-problem-of-solving-p-not-equal-to-np/

55. How to Create a Blue Rose

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/06/02/how-to-create-a-blue-rose/

56. The Etymologies of Creativity

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/06/14/the-etymologies-creativity/

57.  A Basic Model of a Unifying System of Most All Knowledge

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/07/06/a-basic-model-of-a-unifying-system-of-most-all-knowledge/

58. Understanding Psych with S/F Brain Methods

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/07/11/understanding-psychology-with-s-f-methods/

59. The Wiggins Prime Sieve

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/the-wiggins-prime-sieve/

60. The Complex System of Love

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/the-complex-system-of-love/

61. The Limits of the Comparison Process

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/08/27/the-limits-of-comparison-processing/

62.  The Bees, Cortical Brain Structure, Einstein’s Brain, etc.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/09/14/the-bees-cortical-brain-structures-einsteins-brain-the-flowers/

 

63. The Wiggins Prime Sieve, Version 3.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/09/15/the-wiggins-prime-sieve-version-3/

64. The Prime Quartets Method

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/10/04/prime-quartets-method-capabilities-insights-sans-limits/

65. Is Goldbach’s Conjecture True And/or False, Conditionally?

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/11/17/is-goldbachs-conjecture-true-and-or-false-conditionally/

66. The Magic of the Prime Multiples and Goldbach’s….

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/11/27/the-magic-of-the-prime-multiples-insights-into-goldbachs-conjecture/

67 The Wiggins Primes Sieve:  Cycles of 30’s in the Primes

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2018/12/17/the-wiggins-prime-sieve-cycles-of-30s-in-the-primes/

68. Winning at Solitaire, Basic Strategies

jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/02/04/winning-at-solitaire-basic-strategies/

69, The Failures of Idealisms & Brain Hardwiring in the Sciences

jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/04/04/the-failures-of-idealisms-brain-hardwiring-in-the-sciences/

70. The Break Outs: The roots of Growth & Unlimited Creativities

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/06/06/the-break-outs-roots-of-growth-unlimited-creativities/

71. How to Find the MH370 Crash Site

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/the-likely-indian-ocean-so-equatorial-current-crash-sites-for-mh370/

72. Walking Shortcuts, a Cameo

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/06/21/walking-shortcuts-a-cameo-for-creating-unlimited-professional-growth/

73. Einstein’s Quotes & Neuroscientific Insights on Creativity & Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/07/09/einsteins-quotes-and-neuroscientific-insights-on-creativity-etc/

74. Towards a Model of Everything 14 Jul. 2019

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/07/13/towards-a-model-of-everything-moe/

75. Addenda: The Walkabout Article  22 Jul 2019

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/07/22/the-walkabout-article-addenda/

76. NP not = P, Second considerations

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/07/23/np-not-equal-to-p-2nd-considerations/

77. The Kategoria of Incompletenesses, Limits to Our Growth.

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/08/05/the-kategoria-of-the-incompletenesses/

78. The Flight of Tennis Balls:   A Cameo of Creative Thinking & Understanding

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/08/15/the-flight-of-tennis-balls/

 

79. The S curves of Growth

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/09/10/the-s-curves-of-growth/

80. A New Possible Sunspot Duration Detector

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/10/07/a-new-possible-sunspot-duration-amplitude-predictor/

81. 2nd Addendum to Walking/Decision Making article.

jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/10/08/2nd-addendum-partial-mathematization-of-the-walking-decision-making-article/

82. Part 2: An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/11/16/an-historical-genealogy-of-tom-horn-part-2/

83.  Part 1: An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn

jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/11/16/part-1-an-historical-genealogy-of-tom-horn/

84. The Power of & Great Age of Human Predictions/Prophecies

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/the-power-of-great-age-of-human-predictions-prophecies/

85. Four Short, Creative Insight Articles

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2020/01/14/four-short-creative-insight-articles/

86>  The Likely Indian Ocean Southern Equatorial Current Crash Site of Flight MH370

https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/the-likely-indian-ocean-so-equatorial-current-crash-sites-for-mh370/

87. Our Eyes Cannot See Our Eyes:  The Mindtraps

jochesh00.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/our-eyes-cannot-see-our-eyes-the-mindtraps/

 

Part 1: An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn

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By Herb Wiggins, M.D.; Clinical Neurosciences; Discoverer/Creator of the Comparison Process/CP Theory/Model; 14 Mar. 2014.
Copyright © 2019
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Part 1: An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn
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A Genealogical History of the Notorious Killer, Thomas (Tom) S. Horn, Jr.
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There are two biographies of Tom Horn we may use by comparison and contrast to more fully understand the life of Horn. The first is the best and most definitive, and comes in two editions, the original by Gary D. Ball, named, “Tom Horn In Life and Legend” published. 2014, and is the Definitive, modern work on Tom Horn, by an very fine historian

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The other in contrast is by Chip Carlson “Tom Horn: Killing Men is my Specialty”, publ. 1981. Recommended by endorsing/writing of some persons, that he “knew the most about Tom Horn.” He is not an historian, and provides most of his narrative from Tom Horn’s autobio written while in jail awaiting execution, very remote in time from the events Horn writes about. Sadly, comparing Carlson’s work with Ball’s, which military, legal, civil  records information has been there for at least 100 years is a huge contrast in scholarship, historically referenced military, and local histories with vastly more facts, and  every where best compared to that of Carlson. Nor even is his “Blood on the Moon” revision, substantially better.
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And we can tell that by the facts. The basic point through these two Parts articles about Horn, are that for ANY biography, those cannot be complete without checking the totality of the Genealogical data and sources. Without those, a biography alone is too incomplete to be historically state of art and credible. No bio of any kind is acceptable without a very complete genealogical section which tells us where the families came from, who they were, where they lived and the other, highly formative, origins information necessary for the fullest possible understanding of the subject of the biography. IOW, without as Complete as possible genealogical information, with that left out, it’s not a very good, historical and by scholarship acceptable work.
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First of all, Thomas S. Horn, Jr. was born traditionally on 21 Nov. 1860 near Granger, Scotland Co., MO. the 4th or 5th child of about 10-12 by Thomas S. Horn, Sr., & his lawful wife, Mary Ann Maricha Miller. There are NO known church, baptismal, or birth records even referenced to the date of his birth. He’s not found on the 1900 census, either, which often listed the month and year of birth. but his brother Charles’ date, was there, however.
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If we are to believe Carlson, which is dubious, as he bases a huge amount not on historical records but the highly inaccurate, and highly self serving autobiography of Tom Horn, Himself. & he’s a notorious liar, as well, manifested in his killing history, drinking, and thus Sociopathic behaviors, repeatedly, very likely. Clearly, the jury never believed him, and his employers didn’t either. The immensities of false stories he wrote started when he said he left the farm forever at age 14 after being abused by both parents, physically. His mother was a kindly person, but he states she was not. His father, likely an alcoholic like Tom Jr., was the one who may have abused him. Well, he related he was driving a stage, on cattle drives, and many other tasks which are not seen with 14 year olds, nor can be. And as we read thru the details of his life in Ball, comparisons show this repeatedly.
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So we first check the historical records. The censuses 1860, 1870 and 1880. He’s not on the 1860 census, just before the CW, because he was born months later than that. And we First find him with his parents Thomas, Sr. and Mary Ann Horn, & oldest brother Charles, who was very important to him. in 1870 & 1880, Scotland Co., MO.
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1860 census MO, Scotland, Harrison; 25 July, near Memphis, MO
Thomas Horn, 35 OH farmer $6K
Mary Horn, 29 OH
Charles Horn, 6, MO (sic); Wm. 4, MO,
***  Nancy B. 2 MIssouri ; (she’s there!)
PG with Thos. Jr. at the time?
Because Charles was likely born in OHIO, 1852-3, then they moved to MO in 1854-5 or so. Check Charles’ place born dates 1900 census, et. seq., showed b. OHIO. Father didn’t list that Ohio birth place to hide why/from where the family left.
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Findagrave on Charles Horn
B. 1 Jan. 1852 in Coshocton Co., OH, d. 7 Nov. 1930, Boulder, CO
Bu. Columbia Cem. Boulder, CO. (Carlson states Pioneer Cem.) & ONLY gives Charles as his brother, None of his other sibs, and NEVER his mother, and only that his father was Thomas, not Sr., Jr., or anything. Something is remiss there at once. NO other family members are EVER given. Ball does give the family data, however. and some ancestry, too.
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1870, MO, Scotland, Harrison Tp.  dates of census, supposed to be there, not given, but usually spring to fall, rarely after October.
Thos. 45 OH, farmer,  2 K, (letters not dark enough but some readable  names, dates, with enlarging image)
Mary 39, OH
Chas. 16 (sic, b. 1852, OH), MO(sic), Nancy 12 MO  (b. 24 May 1858, MO)   (Wm. gone!)
Thos. 10 MO, so born in 1860, but not born in November, if correct, or if born in 1861, instead.
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Martin 8 MO, (rather b.19 Nov. 1862, Cochocton, OH); Hannah 6 MO, (20 May 1865);
Benny Markley age 12, Ark. (a nephew of Mary Ann’s)
Next page, not clear: Austin 3 MO, (ca. 1866-7, definitive BD not clear) male, & Mary 1(??) (Maude Ambrosia, b. 4 Jul 1869, solid)  Missouri.
Big gaps, some kids missing? From the birth of Mary, known, July 1869, we can guess that date of the census, approx. to within 1 month. IOW, June to Aug. 1870.
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1880, MO, Scotland, Harrison; Day/Mo. each census page, date of census page not given.
Thomas Horn 54, OH, PA/”
Mary A. 49, OH, OH/”
Mart(in) 17, MO
****Tom Horn 19 , MO; so was living there in 1880, too. and left AFTER 1880 census.
Carlson was wrong again.
Hannah 15 ; Oss (Austin) 12; Maude  (Mary Ambrosia)11 (sic); and Alice 5. all b. MO
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There is this interesting listing in the 1880 census
1880, CO, Gunnison, Gunnison City, 12 Jun. 1880
Horn, Thom’s 19 MO (parents b. OH/OH) single, Miner, which could be him. or not.
but that’s Very far south/west, 120 miles, of Leadville, too.
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And this:
1880, KS, Reno, Valley 3 jun.
Charles Horn 27
Elizabeth (Blattner)
Much more in Part 2.
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1891 Canada Census, British Columbia, New Westminster
Thomas Horn b. 1825, 66, ma., US, USA/Scotland   farmer, to Canada in 1889!!
Mary A. 60 US  Baptists.
A. H. (Austin) 23; Alice 16; both b. US.
No, Austin is born ca 1868, so as the estimated surround 1867, that’s a likely birth year.
Where were Maude? others?
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Able to locate a 1900 US, but no 1901 Canadian census on Maude, & the above disparity shows an important point, She was born in 1869. She lived most of life in Washington state, NOT with her father/mother after 1890, likely.
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Clearly, Maude Mary A. (for Ambrosia) was born in USA, and NOT after the census, too. but we see these things all the time, Info decays in time. And she was about 100 when she died, so who knows her date and year of birth? This requires then the historically tested, Preponderance of evidence.
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1900, WA, Pierce, Tacoma, 6 June;
Matthew O’Simpson, (sic!! Actually Matthew Oliver (O.), so the census take messed up!) b. July 1877 (1878 by  birth records, Can., thus wrong!!!!)  Ontario CAN;  parents Can. Engl,, MO/Ireland!!
Maude O’Simpson (sic) b. July 1869, MO; ma. 2 yrs. 1/1;  in US 6/12, since 1900!!!
Mary L. O’Simpson, 2 b. British Columbia b. Oct. 1898;   in US 6/12 mos, since 1900!!!
So Maude and family in BC, then moved back to Washington state, in Seattle/Tacoma
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Now, 1910 census, US, Washington state, Kings, Seattle,. 3  20 Apr.
Matthew O. Simpson, 31, b. ca. 1879, Canada Eng., Imm. to US 1883; ma. 13 yrs.; grip man, streetcar
Maude A. 40, wife Missouri (well, 1869, poss. as was born July) ma. 13 yrs. 2/1; OH/”
Alice M. 11 Minnesota; What?
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1920 Jan. 1920, Matt imm. 1887; Maude is 50., 1930, Apr. 24, also for Maude and Matt, but he d. in 1932.
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Children:
Alice M Simpson was born 15 Oct.1898, Port Coquitlan (Vancouver metro), BC, and moved to Seattle in 1909.
Mary Alice Simpson  naturalized 1926 in Wash, b. 15 Oct. 1898 in Port Coquitlan, BC.
imm. from New Westminster, BC. Where her G’pa. Thos. Horn Sr. had been living, too.
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Check 1901 Brit. Columbia census for them and the dates might be there!!! A sister, Thomasita  b. Pierce Co., Wash in 1901; likely Tacoma.
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So after all of this, was the 1869 age wrong for Maude? & the answer is, we don’t know. but it’s easy to get bogged down in the complexities, too.
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Where were Matt and Maude married ca. 1894-1898? This missing info is more decay of info problem. But is resolved in Part 2.
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These disparities, cognitive dissonances, and comparison process points created are seen all the time. My ancestor was born in Westphalia 1820, and his tombstone in Lancaster showed his DOB at 1822. But the 1900 census showed he was born in the exact month and year, 1820. AND on the IGI records from Dielingen, Westphalia 1820 birth year, and that correct date of his brother, Augustus, 1824, as well. So in this case, as well as in the case of Tom Horn, whose stone showed b.1861, that info decays in time. Who’s more likely to be right? Yet again, a TD, LE principle. Those sources of info closest to the events, are likeliest. So Maude was born ca. July 1869, too. and that’s that, as well. IOW, the 1870 census, right to the month showed she was born in 1869-70, very likely. and Tom Horn was likely b. in 1860, NOT 1861, as his Columbia Cem., Boulder CO, stone showed, next to his brother, Charles, who got the body in Cheyenne after Tom was hung for murder; and had the funeral and burial there in Boulder. Otherwise he’d NOT be listed in 1860!! So he was born mid 1860, likely.
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Next there are land records of Thomas Horn Sr., living in Ohio along the Muskingum River, which became Coshocton Co., where Thomas and Mary Ann Were married in late 1850, clearly. What then happened, and Carlson ignored that huge move to Missouri. And the move to Kansas, near Grinnel in the 1870’s, where he lost that land too. And the indebtedness from a failed investment in Coshocton, OH, mid 1850’s, which Ball very clearly details. They left Ohio in the middle of the night, to escape debtors, ending up in Scotland Co., MO, which the censuses show, as well. Still looking for KS state census records of 1875, but not listed in Kansas, however. Absence of evidence is not likely evidence for absence. Where he lived for about 2 years, with family, before moving BACK to Scotland Co., MO, by 1880. Charles stayed in KS much later, however.
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The mid 1870’s was the time Tom Horn claimed he’d been out and about on cattle drives, stage coach work, and so forth. Which was clearly NOT the case. He was there in Scotland Co., MO with parents as shown above until at least later 1880. He was also in KS with his father &/or brother, Charles, when they moved there after 1875, only to fail and move back to Scotland Co., MO by 1880.
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Ball wrote that Charles Horn moved to California, but no records of that, and then back to Missouri. and from there to Kansas near his father. Then from there likely to Denver/Boulder, CO where he lived and died. Indeed 2 kids born in KS, as well. so that makes sense. Land records show those movements.
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And Carlson does NOT state why Thomas Sr. and much of his family, ever moved to, NOR ended up in the Pacific NW, either, some in Washington state, and Thos Sr. himself & Many of his many kids buried in Vancouver area, in Cloverdale, at the cemetery there, on findagrave for most of them.
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This is an excellent genealogical source, which shows what’s going on. William Horn, bu. 1856, was likely born in Scotland Co., MO. and died there, consistent with the 1860, 1870 censuses from there. And immortalized the mid 1850’s move from Coshocton to avoid debtors, as likely drove his move out of the nation, to BC, Canada, from Scotland Co., MO. Carlson does NOT even touch on this VIPoint, NOR the 1880 census, NOR the move to Kansas, as Ball so well documents.
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The state census records do not record any of those Horns in 1875 in Kansas. Altho the 1885 census likely will show something. Clearly, Thos. Horn Sr., was there  after 1875, and left Kansas to move back to MO before the 1880 census, when in MO. Charles was there for some time, however. & we know that from his daughters’ places of birth.
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Thus the whole story about stage coach work, cattle drives, etc. occurred very likely in Kansas with Brother and family there, &/or AFTER 1880, because the military records on Tom Horn start about 1882-3 in Arizona. so his whole story about being beaten by his parents, and then leaving are likely bogus. His actual independent life history began near his age of majority about 20-21 y/o. Then he may have done the cattle drives, the stage coaching & ended up in Arizona ca. early 1880’s, as above.
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These genealogical correctives are NOT used by Carlson, but Ball documents the extensive Military records there in Arizona, over that time from Tom Horn’s work there, which was again, highly embellished and falsified, because he failed to relate his serious problems there, as well. When working in Globe, Gila Co., now Arizona, and near the San Carlos Ind. Reservation nearby, which work records are also extent, but NOT mentioned at all by Carlson except in cursory passing. Carlson was NOT the/an expert on Tom Horn’s life. He would not do the work to find the data, which Ball showed was very clearly available at the time, too.
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Thus Ball’s superior scholarship and military and civil records from AZ, show what likely happened, there in AZ. Horn writes he found Geronimo, was an acquaintance of the Apache chief, and then was a interpreter for him. But that’s not the case. He was in a group of men who did, but he knew no Apache and others did that work. Again, embellishments & lies.
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He left Arizona and was in Colorado, by the early 1890’s, at which time his father had moved to escape debtors, ca. 1890, very likely from Scotland Co., MO. Debt Collectors/enforcers can’t cross international boundaries, very easily. So Thos. Sr., ran away the last time, starting in Coshocton, where his wife’s family had land, which he worked, and then lost to indebtedness. That was why Carlson never mentioned the family, because it’d have exposed the problems of the father. A sad, but true omission and why Carlson’s endorsements by many are simply not credible, either.
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So when Tom claimed leaving Scotland Co., aged 14 in 1874 (by his lies in autobio) they were still in Granger, MO, farm area; & in actuality no evidence that he never left at all. He moved with parents to KS, near Burrton & they were there  until Thos. Sr. lost the farm again in about 2-3 years, (EtOh again?) and back to near Etna, MO, by 1880. where he’s also listed. Tom left there about 1881-2 for Leadville, CO, as his brother was in Colorado by then. & thence by 1882-3 to Globe, Gila Co., AZ territory; and also worked on San Carlos Indian reservation going by name, James M. Hicks; apparently wi. a common law Apache wife, & perhaps 2 kids. No census or other documentation of that, either. NO mention of that by Tom, either. Carlson leaves it out because it’d show Tom Horn was not a good man, and that being the case, casts serious doubts about his unsubstantiated claims that Horn was innocent of the murder for which he was hanged.
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Tom Horn left San Carlos area, joined up with Pinkerton detective service in Denver in 1890. He likely left the same way his father, did. Got into local troubles. & Then to WY and range wars by Pinkerton sending him to Johnson Co., about 1892, and thence to of Cheyenne, and Laramie, WY, until death.
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In the meantime he talked about his “detective work” which was in fact tracking down rustlers & eliminating them by long distance shooting. This established his bad reputation and notorieties. Eventually he killed a child, Willie Nickell, near Laramie, WY. & likely not the first, as Meldrum called him a “child killer”, too. So his lethal work for the cattle associations was a euphemism called being a “Detective”, which he was not, except when working for Pinkerton’s which stopped in 1892-3, when he apparently, voluntarily found work in Wyoming, along the same lines, with the cattlemen’s associations. He left Pinkerton’s under a cloud.
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He’d tracked a robber to California, lost him, then robbed a casino/bank on Reno, NV. Pinkerton’s had to bail him out.
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This is how we know what’s likely going on. Rarely with complete certainty, in historical records, or family history records, either. But we do weigh the repeating records, and find clearly the gaps and inconsistencies in those.
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As far as Horn’s sojourns in Colorado, Ball again documents those well, and Carlson misses most of it, except to mention the Pinkerton appointment to Denver, Colorado, in 1890. He seriously messed up his detective work & altho Carlson shows a Photo of Tom at the time, states it’s Tom Horn and totally ignores the 2 other Pinkerton men, dressed  up as usual in suits, which marks them as Pinkerton Agents, BTW!!!  By ignoring and avoiding clear cut info and sources, Carlson ruins his credibility and conclusions. So, there we have it.
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Horn said he moved to Wyoming in 1894. But the records are clear, he was there by Pinkerton records from  Denver, to Johnson Co., Range wars, in 1892, problems in which Pinkerton had a vested, fiduciary interest. Shortly thereafter, because he’d robbed a casino or some such place, in the early 1890’s in Reno, NV, while on a failed hunt for robbers, (which Carlson also ignored, for the same reasons as usual) and Pinkerton saved him from prosecutions. This all well documented by Ball.
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Have also looked into the so called by Carlson, Tom’s “girl friend’, Glendolene Myrtle Kimmell, Fortunately for us, her name was not Mary Smith, but a very clear cut, distinctive & rare name, making her VERY easy to trace!!!  She was an interloper and her claims to have known Tom Horn were likely bogus, from which we see from the census records, as well. She investigated him AFTER the facts, and as a stenographer, was a self proclaimed writer, but not very good, either. So much of what she writes can be easily dismissed, which Carlson for some reason never mentions at all, either. Checking the census and civil records for Glendolene Kimmell reveals in the city directories of Denver, exactly when she was there, doing what & so forth. Over 100 Miles south of Cheyenne, and ever further from Laramie!!! She was NEVER a teacher at all!!! She was nothing, and much of what she stated in a “addendum” to his bio, is not from personal, accurate experience, but simply bad journalism, in which she had no training or expertize either.
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We often call such persons Interlopers, poseurs, and opportunists. The data on the known sojourns and many, many addresses on Miss Glendolene M. Kimmell ARE very well documented in Part 2 at the end of the write up, just before the raw data section. This clearly allows us to dismiss Miss Kimmell as anything substantial, credible, or reliable regarding Tom Horn. The jury did not believe her, because she’d disappeared apparently libeling a Mr. Miller, fingering him as the man who murdered Willie Nickell. & she was not able to be found to testify, by deliberate hiding of herself, out of Wyoming for some years.
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Just why Carlson would miss those vast, genealogical evidences & documents about Miss Glendolene, and the fact she lived with her mother, was never married, and eventually moved with Mom to California, in the LA area, near where she died some years later. All of those facts are available in Denver, at the National Archives, too, near where Carlson lived.
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Checking the Denver City directories for the time of 1900 to ca. 1920 and the census records, reveals an astonishingly different story about Miss Kimmell. First at NO time is she ever listed as a “teacher” or anything to do with schooling. We only have HER say so she was in Wyoming. There is NO independent census evidence of that, either. While living in Denver she was a steno, a writer, or living on her own means, from 1903 to 1920. She was also listed in KC, MO, and in Hannibal (with mother), and a steno, both times. Where is the teaching?
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Clearly, the Carlson story about he being a school marm, is simply not substantiated at all, either. Nor does she have anything but “self education” listed anywhere. Those are not the qualifications of a teacher, at all. So what’s going on with Carlson, once again? He admits Tom Horn and Miss Kimmell only met once, and then builds up this fabular story about her knowing him and he simply did not, either. And her writing in Horn’s defense, was clearly dismissed by Ball, who stated she was not believed at all. But those things get in the way of Carlson’s “Tom Horn was Innocent” agenda, which he most certainly was NOT.
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 Those relevant omissions showed Carlson never checked much on her at all!!! The best informed of any on Tom Horn, indeed, NOT!!! Nor did Ball check on the known data, either, and sort of implies there was some kind of interaction. Possibly 1, but we have no solid evidence of even that 1, either.
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Tom Horn  was assigned by Pinkertons in 1892 by records, up to Johnson Co.,Wyoming, where the range wars were going on at that time, in order to move out a troubling employee, giving him one last chance, which he missed, yet again. He was drinking heavily from time, to time, very clearly and that lasted until his arrest for murder of Willie Nickell in Iron Mountain, near Laramie, and held in jail without bail until his conviction and hanging in Cheyenne, WY,. and from there taken by Brother Charles to a Boulder funeral & Cemetery in Colorado.
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Glendolene M. Kimmell had NOTHING to do with Tom Horn before the murder of Willie Nickell, and not much after, either, altho she did a very fabular “psych” assessment on him, for which she had not the slightest training, nor credibility. That is simply fiction by Carlson.
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Once again, check the section in part 2, which is extensive on city directories, censuses, and related records on her. This shows an extremely different, documentable, large sets of information about her, totally at odds from Carlson, and not much at all mentioned by Ball, sadly.
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Which once again proves the point. If the biographer has NOT collected and found the genealogical historical records on a person, he has NOT done a very good Biography. This alone establishes the standard of scholarship needed for most ALL bios, understanding the limits as imposed by “information is lost in time”, the universal principle of physics, called the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. It cannot be ignored by serious students of historical work of ANY kind, logically, empirically, historically and scientifically.

An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn, Part 2

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By Herb Wiggins, M.D.; Clinical Neurosciences; Discoverer/Creator of the Comparison Process/CP Theory/Model; 14 Mar. 2014.
Copyright © 2019
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 An Historical Genealogy of Tom Horn,  Part 2
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  This is the family of Tom Horn, as given by multiply checked and tested sources, in detail. Using this can easily show the wide variations in data, and loss of solid, reliable information about his families.
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1st of all, Carlson is wrong & omitted way too many facts. Tom S. or H.(Hardman?). Horn Jr. was his full name, after his father, Thomas S/H. Horn, Sr. and wife, Mary Ann Maricha nee’ Miller.
He was Fourth of (11-12)  kids not 8.,
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First, the relevant genealogies of Thomas S. Horn, Sr.
 Thomas S. Horn, b. 15 Jan. 1825, Mt. Vernon, Knox, OH (place not documented at the time, but  parents in area); d. 20 Nov. 1891, Ladner, Vancouver city, BC,  1891 Vancouver census;, bu. Surrey Center Cem., Cloverdale  (AKA Christ Church yard), Vancouver, BC, Canada.
Ma. 23 Dec.1850, Coshoction Co., OH (state records)  to  Mary Ann Maricha Miller, b. 22 Jan. 1831, Mt. Vernon, Knox Co., OH;  d. 26 Nov. 1908, Surrey, Greater Vancouver, BC; bu Surrey Ctr. Cem. wi. Husband.
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Mary Ann Miller d/o Frances Miller, 1800 to 1836, ma. to Nancy Wiggins 1801, 1853, ma. 31 May 1821, Coshocton, Co., OH.. Nancy d/o Thomas Wiggins, b. 1780, Wheeling, OH Co., WVA (now), s/o Edward Wiggins, an Irish immigrant to the US.
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The mother of my sons was of the same Coshocton Co., OH, Wiggins family; & their Wiggins/Shoup family has an heirloom blanket from Coshocton Co., OH, as well, with Charity Coulter’s name embroidered in it. She ma. a Thos. Wiggins in Coshocton Co., OH
  Thus, by marriage I’m related to Thomas S. Horn, Sr., and my children and their 6-7 children, my grandchildren, are all blood related to Tom Horn!!!
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Clearly, Thos. Sr.  moved to Washington about 1889, many kids stayed there, but some up to Vancouver about same year as listed on 1891, Can., BC, census, which year Thos. Sr. died there.
 & Except for Charles’ 2 daughters, putative land records, no trace of the KS sojourn after 1875, of Thos. Horn, 1825.
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  The one last point to be made is that on the 1891 BC Canada census, Thos. Horn Sr., listed his mother born in Scotland.. Her name WAS Hannah Craig clearly Scottish, but she was born in Somerset Co., PA.. & it was her father, her Grandfather, who was b. in Ireland (Scot-Irish), NOT his mother. This did, however, get him get into Canada a lot easier, so it was not only his son who liked to twist the facts around, either.
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Charles was b. 1 Jan. 1852, Coshocton Co., OH, d. 7 Nov. 1930, Boulder, CO; bu. Columbia Cemetery (NOT the Pioneer Cem. Carlson misnamed), in Boulder, CO.
b. supposedly in Scotland Co., MO, according to some records. But he was b. Coshocton Co., OH, where his parents moved to, as mother’s family had property there. Then moved to Scotland Co. in  extreme NE MO on Iowa border, ca. 1855, on the Wayconda River, between Etna and Granger. Memphis was the county seat, however.
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Findagrave on Charles Horn
B. 1 Jan. 1852 in Coshocton Co., OH, d. 7 Nov. 1930, Boulder, CO
ma. 29 Nov. 1874, Clark Co., MO, to Eliz. Blattner , b. 1854, d. 1940
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Thomas Horn Sr. Moved to BC from likely Seattle area, ca. 1889. To Washington state 1st, likely still running from creditors.
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Children: 10 known, 11-12 likelyh born.
1. Charles Horn, b. 1 Jan. 1852, Coshocton, OH; d. 7 Nov. 1930, Boulder, CO ; bu. Columbia Cem., Boulder, CO
ma. as above to Eliz. Blattner, b. 21 July 1854, d. 22 Apr. 1940, bu. with Charles.
When did Charles move to CO from Scotland, MO? Nothing much in kids’ marriage dates before about 1900, so it was about that time, likely from Scotland Co., MO, when his father also left.
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Children of Charles and Lizzie
1. Laura Horn. Meeder; B. 4 Jan. 1876, Scotland Co., MO, d. 30 Sept. 1903, Boulder, bu. Columbia Cem. Supposedly she d. in Sept. from hearing, altho she was ill, that Tom Horn was condemned to death. However, the facts are that he was condemned to death some time before his hanging. So apocryphal describes that family story.
2. Mary Ann Horn, b. 10 Sept. 1879, Reno Co., KS, d. 15 Feb. 1969, San Diego, CA, bu. Unk. Cremated. Ashes to Boulder?  Ma. 12 May 1900, Boulder Co., CO.
3. Elizabeth Horn. b. 7 Oct. 1882, Wichita, Sedgwick Co., KS, d. 1 Mar. 1973, Denver, CO, bu. in Boulder with parents.;
 Ma. 5 Feb. 1900, Girard, Crawford Co., KS, to Charles Russell,  b. 1877, a Coloradan; d. 1921, He died in Casper, WY.
Thus also documenting the move to KS by the Horn family.
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4. Inez Nancy, b. 15 Sept. 1885, Etna, Scotland co., MO, d. 27 Aug. 1955, Boulder, bu. wi. father.
Documents the move back to Scotland Co., by Charles likely with father about same time. Ball’s info consistent with this.
 5. Lastly, Carrie (Caroline?) Alberta Horn, b. 2 Feb. 1888, Etna, Scotland, MO; d. 4 Oct. 1976, Boulder, bu. with father.
Ma. 17 June 1908, Denver part in Arapaho Co.. to Eldon Willard O’Neal, 1887 — 1960
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1880, KS, Reno, Valley Tp. 3 Jun.; ED 300
Charles Horn 27 (1852-3), MO, OH/” stock raiser!! (raised cattle, &  hated rustlers! & did some cattle drives, too. So Tom worked with him there on cattle drives, etc.)
Eliz. 27 KY
Laura 4 b. MO; & Mary Ann 2, born KS!!!!  There by 1877-8.
& laborers Shepherd, Samuel 27 ILL, KY/”; Purdy, Wm. M. 22 Mo KY/”
Thus 6/5 children to Boulder, and there; after kids were born, so likely in KS?
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Twin bro of Charles supposedly died young, bu.? NO known burials in Coshocton Co., or Knox Co., OH, or Scotland Co,, MO, of right age, either. Not confirmed. Age gap makes that possible.
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2. William (Willie) Horn, 26 Mar.1856, Granger, Scotland, MO; d. 14 Jan.1864, Granger, bu. Etna Cem., MO; Documents the latest year of the move from Coshocton Co., OH, to escape debts. Est. about 1855. In the middle of the night, perhaps.
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3. Nancy Belle Horn Adams. b. 26 May 1858, Granger, MO; d. 6 Jul 1947 Memphis, Scotland, MO; bu. Black Oak Cem. with Husband, in Granger, MO.  She did not move to Pacific NW.
Ma. 21 Dec.1875, Scotland, Co., MO. She did not move to Pacific NW.
Her obit mentions 3 sisters, Maude Simpson of Seattle, WA, Hannah Williams of Twisp, WA; and Alice (Bertha) Loney, of British Columbia.
 All kids b. in Scotland Co., MO, but Cath. V, b. Clark Co., MO, in 1884.
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4. Thomas S. Horn Jr., b. 21 Nov. 1860 (traditional, Only. No birth records, baptisms, nor anything else to document BD), d. 20 Nov. 1903(said to be a day before his 43rd BD) Cheyenne, WY, and bu. Columbia Cem., Boulder, CO, near bro. Charles, above.
The ONLY date for his BD, was the apocryphal “story” he was executed the day before his 43rd BD. HOWEVER, Ima & Ina were ALSO born on Nov. 20, and that coincidence, is FAR too much to ignore. Esp. because of conflicting census ages from 1870 to 1880 Census Records. NONE found of him in 1900, either. 1870’s and 1880’s records in Kansas show nothing on the Horns, either, altho the 1885 is not  Ancestry found, altho it exists for LDS members.
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5. Martin Isaac, b. 19 Nov 1862, CoShocton Co., (when mother was visiting there, by family history); d. 29 Jun. 1946, Glasgow, Valley Co., Eastern MT. Highland Cem., Glasgow, MT
Ma. 10 Jun. 1884, Granger, Scotland Co., MO.
2 kids b. Scotland, MO. 2nd wife’s son, Thomas C. Horn, b. 22 Mar. 1904, in Oklahoma! and to Boise. Thence to MT with father Martin.
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6. Hannah May, b. 20 May 1865, Etna, Scotland, MO, d. 7 Jun. 1953, Twisp, Okanogan, WA; Bu. Beaver Creek Cem., Twisp, WA;
Ma. 17 Apr. 1884, Scotland Co., MO,  to  Wm. Allen Williams. 10 Jan. 1855 to 1933;  To Wash. Terr. in 1887  STates 1st moved to Bellingham, later 1880’s, then
Children
1. female b. 3 Feb. 1885, Harrison Tupt, MO, to Wm. A. Wms. and Hannah M Horn Wms. age 19   (May Wms. Steele ; d. 11 Sept. 1942 Tacoma, WA.
2. Bryant Wms. son, b. Nov. 1889, Washington, p. b. MO/”; d. 7 Dec.1966;  Brewster, Okanogan, WA
3. Ruth Wms. b. Jan. 1893, WA. 3/3 of mother.; d. 1979.
Bryant 1910, Silver Okanagan, age 20. (1890)
1900, b. Nov. 1889, Wash state, living Whatcom, WA.
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1 child b. MO,  2d bom in Whatcom WA. in 1889, when they moved there; Last in Bellingham, Whatcom Co., WA, 1893.  Documents Thos. Sr. may have lived a while in Washington state, before moving to BC.
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7. Austin H. (Oss) b. ca. 1866 to 1906,  Lost at sea, no bu.? no memorial known.
Moved to B.C. with parents in 1889, No listing in 1901 census Canada; check again.!!! or he was living in Washington State.
Ball’s records state a letter from a sister wrote that he’d died in the Bering Sea by falling in, or something. No grave or memorial known. Unclear if sailed out of Wash. State or Brit. Columbia, tho was supposedly listed there in 1898, 7 years after father died, but not documented.
There is NO body. But an A. H. Horn sailed in Jan.v1906 out of Victoria, BC, to San Francisco, was single, age 42, and occupation not legible. On the ship, Princess Beatrice.
That could easily have been him, and then disappeared in California. Escaping trouble, as his father had done so many time before, by running? And that they, if he was thought dead, would not go looking for him, as they did a number of times with his father? That’s a real possibility.
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  ——————— After here all kids ma. in Pacific NW, as moved there ca. 1889.
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8. Mary (Maude)  Ambrosian  Horn,  b. 4 July 1869 (by large preponderance of evidence), Granger, Scotland, MO, d.12 Nov. 1968., Seattle;  King Co., WA; bu. Surrey Ctr. Cem., Vancouver, BC
Ma. 7 Oct. 1897, New Westminster (Vancouver, BC) to Matthew Oliver Simpson, b. 13 July 1878, Armour, Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada; d. 8 Feb. 1932, Seattle, WA; bu. Surrey Ctr. Cem.  Stone stated b. 13 July 1878.
s/o Mathew Simpson and Alice Vance. of Canada with 3 kids,
Matt Oliver. Nat. in 1917, Washington state, listed wife as Maude A.!!! b. 10 July 1878!!!  Burks Falls, Can,  (Yes, that’s Perry Snd. Dist, Ontario!);
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9. Ina Horn b. 20 Nov.1871 (near Tom’s BD!!) , Granger, Scotland, MO, d. 25 Aug. 1872, Scotland., bu. Etna Cem. Scotland, MO
10. & Ima, twin, b. same day; died, d. 3 Sept. 1872\; both bu. Etna Cem., Scotland, MO.
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11. Bertha Alice Horn b. 24 Apr. 1875, Granger, MO, d. 10 Dec. 1971, BC, age 96. Bu . Surrey Ctr. Cem. wih parents.
Ma. 6 June 1895, age 19, both of Elgin, BC, she b. Memphis, MO; ma. N. Whatcom, Whatcom, WA, to Jas. Bennett Loney age 28, b. 17 Dec. 1865, Carleton, New Brunswick, CA; d. 31 July 1935, New Westminster, BC, Canada.
all kids b. in Vancouver Area..
Maude Ma. second to Andrew Brown.
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Thomas S. Horn s/o Hartman Horn  b. 9 May 1794, Washington Co., near Buffalo Tp., PA, d. 6 Jun. 1874, Scotland Co., MO, bu. Etna Cem with wife, Hannah Craig Horn. Parents b. Scotland
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whole loverly fam. tree of tom horn Sr.
note a child, infant (Horn?), d. 20 Oct. 1854, bu. Dennis Cem.
NOt listed in Dennis Cem., but likely on rolls. of DAR records.
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So when Tom “left at 14 y/o”,  presumably 1874 (by his lies in autobio) they were still in Granger, MO farm area; & in actuality he never left at all. He moved with parents to KS, near Burrton, and were there 2 years until Thos Sr. lost the farm again and went back to near Etna, MO, by 1880. where Thos Sr. & Jr. also listed. Tom left Scotland County, about 1880 for Leadville, CO, and thence by 1882-3 to Arizona, Globe, Gila Co. and also worked on San Carlos Indian reservation going by name, James M. Hicks; perhaps wi. comm.-law Apache wife, with 2 kids.
Left San Carlos area , joined up with Pinkerton detective service in Denver in 1890. Then to WY and range wars by Pinkerton sending him in 1892 to Johnson co., WY, where the range wars were ongoing. & thence to Cheyenne, and Laramie, WY until death.
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Likely, but not documented death of Charles’ twin bro, tho: 12 kids;   Ball AND Carlson were wrong!!!
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Thomas S. Horn s/o Hartman Horn  b. 9 May 1794, Washington Co., near Buffalo Tp., PA, d. 6 Jun. 1874, Scotland Co., MO, bu. Etna Cem with wife
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s/o Martin (Luther?) Horn 11 Mar. 1772 Wash co., PA  d.1856, in Knox Co., OH, bu.?;
s/o Hardtman Horn. 1747 b. VA, to 1811
ma. margaret —-, sons john hartman, martin, jacob wi. wife Hanna; raised mary meloy;
son jos., dau rosanna Gantz(ger.),
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really detailed, but have not tested for reliability. Nothing on hannah craig’s ancestry, tho. See below for possibilities.
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Hartman Horn ma. ca. 1818, to Hannah Craig (Scot name, origins)  b. 26 Sept. 1795 PA,  to 1 Oct. 1869, Knox Co., OH, bu. Dennis Cem. Knox Co.,. OH. 1869 A Horn Cemetery, there, too. no data on her parents at all.
Thos Horn Sr., misleads & stated consistently in Can censuses that he was Scot!!!
Hannah was of Scot Irish Ancestry and a number of her Craig family from Washington Co, Buffalo Tp. moved ALSO to Coshocton Co., OH, as well.
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Data on the Interloper and NOT a “School marm”, nor teacher, at all, Glendolene Myrtle Kimmell.
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Glendolene Myrtle Kimmel b. born on June 21, 1879 in St. Louis.;, d/o. Elijah LLoyd Kimmel
to denver in 1902 or so.;  d. 12 sept. 1949, long beach, CA, bu. Westminster mem. prk.
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Parents elijah kimmel and FRancis asenath Pierce; bu. in Hannibal.
1940, CA. San. Louis Obispo, Atascadero tp.;  ed 40-7, 18 apr.
Glendolene M. Kimmer, 60 head, single. occupation not listed
on 300 Curbaril Ave.
lived there in 1935, too,
1930, CA san luis bispo  atascadero, 212 curbaril Ave. note actual sp.
Frances a. (asenath) Kimmel, 87, MO head  MO KY/KY
Glendolene M. kimmell 50 Missouri  dau. MO OH/KY no occupation!!!
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1910, Co, Denver,  19th ave.
Glendolene M. kimmell, b. 1879, MO, single  Oh/mo own income
1920, CO, Denver, 18 th st.
Glndeoline m, kimmell 40 MO orchardist on fruit farm
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1880, MO, st. louis gamble St.
Eli l. kimmell 38
Fannie (frances) 36
John kimmell 16;  Glendolene kimmell 1
Parents ma. 8 Jul. 1964, in Hannibal, MO .
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1902, Glendolene Kimmell, KC, MO, Steno. Wm.. Chandler (whatever that was!)
Avoiding the Horn Trial
1904, Denver, CO, Miss G.M. Kimmell,  Stenographer, John S. Worthington Co.
1907, Ms. Glend. Kimmell, 321 n 5th, Hannibal, MO, wi. Fannie, her mother
1907 Denver,  CO, Miss Gwendolin M. Kimmell (sic) writer 330 19th ave,
1909, Hannibal MO, Miss Glendolene Kimmell, 321 N. 5th,
 with mother, Frances A. (Wid. of E. L. Kimmell)
1909 Denver, CO. Miss G. M. Kimmell, apt 4, 330 19th Ave.
1910,  Miss G. M. kimmell 330 19th ave.
next to J. O. kimmell, Motorman, tram.
1911, Denver CO., Miss G. M. Kimmell, apt. 4 330 W. 19th Ave.
1911 MO, Hannibal;  Glendolene. M. Kimmell, 321 N 5th, Stenog, wi. mother Frances, etc.
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1912, Denver, CO apt 4, 330 W. 19th Ave, Miss G. M. Kimmell No job listed where not stated here
1913, Denver, CO Miss G. M. Kimmell,  4 300 19th Ave.
1914, Denver, CO  ditto name, ditto address
1915, Denver CO,  ” name, address
1916, Denver, CO ” name, address
1920, Denver, CO us census. She lised as “orchardist”, and not a sign of a classroom, either.
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1903, Columbus, OH , Kimmell, Myrtle G. Stenogr. b. 1329 Dennson Ave.,
near Earl P. Kimmell, Emma p. and Mable phone operater all at 820 Kerr listed as h(ome) and Based (b)
1907, Columbus, OH, Myrtle G.Kimmell  stenogr. b. 1291, N. High (st.)
no other kimmells listed
1910, Columbus, OH, Myrtle G. Kimmell, 2097 N. High, Bkpr (Bookkeeper) listed below Chas. R. Kimmell, bkpr Chase Fdy & Mfg co. b. 2097 N. High.
Then a Chas. R. Kimmey(sic) Home 81 N. 22nd.,
1911, Columbus, OH, Myrtle G. Kimmell 6 W. 10th, Stenographer
wi. Kimmell, Ray, Bkpr, 6 W. 10th. Ave; !!!
1910, OH, Franklin, Col’s 2079 High St. 28 apr.
Kimmell, Charles R. 23, OH, oh/” single; secretary, Case Foundry Co.
Myrtle G. sister 30  (same age as Glendolene!) single, Stenographer, State Collector?
1931, Phoenix, AZ Myrtle Kimmel steno h. 1224 Bellview;
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Censuses Listed in 1910 in Hannibal, MO, and Denver
Listed in 1920 in Denver
Listed in 1930 and 1940 in Atascadero. Likely via Phx went to Cali with mother, Frances, in the later 1920’s.
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California voter reg
1932 & 1934, California, San Luis OBispo, Atascadero, Miss. Glend. M. kimmell, Atascadero, San Luis Obispo, CA, Dem, a housekeeper. with mother.
1944, Miss Glendolene Kimmell, SLO, Atascadero Rte. 1, Dem, houskeepr
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Glendolene is also listed ca. 1930  in Phx 2-3 times, too.
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No documentation of teacher training, and self educated, only. Story about “School Marm” was simply fiction as not substantiated at all by available records. & is simply hearsay, the last nail in the coffin, of supposed bio by Carlson.
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This is the raw data, which did not want lost. It’s not in organized style nor form, but is here for perusal and where most of Part 1 and Part 2 came from.
OHio data.
thomas horn Ma. 23 Dec.1850, Coshocton co., OH, to mary Ann M. Miller.
BC data canada, thomas horn b. 1825, US, d. 20 Nov. 1891, Vancouver BC
1834 perry co. ohio tax records
Noah, Moses, Stephen, and Thos. horn listed!!!!
and just above and out of sequence, Howell Stephen!!! so thos Stephen horn was his name?
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1850, Census,  OH, Knox, Jackson; 16 sept.
hardman horn 60 PA
Hannah 63 VA
**Thos. 24 OH; Eliz. 20; Hetta 18; Arzina  L. 16;
 malina 11; Fretina (Ernestina) 7, female ;  where these 3 from?  Nieces or grand kids?
Alexander 5, all b. OH., to whom? Hannah was too old!!!
Prev. pages is son,, Martin Horn. 14 sept. 1850
Martin Horn 39, Pa, farmer  $600
Drusilla 33 OH
Margaret 15; nancy 11; Aaron 9; Isaac Martin 7; amos 4, James K.
Martin horn b. 1811 PA, lived in Harrison tp. Scotland, MO, in 1870
tree on martin horn  b. 1811 Wash co., PA d. 1896, etna, Clark MO
Ma. 6 Apr. 1837, to Drusilla Melick 1817-1872
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1860, OH, knox, jackson, Newcastle
Hartman horn 66, PA
Hanna horn 68 PA
Hetty horn 11
adolph connaway, 17
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1860 census MO, Scotland, Harrison to.; 25 July, near Memphis, MO
Thomas Horn, 35 OH farmer $6K
Mary horn, 29 OH
Charles horn, 6, MO (sic); Wm. 4, MO,
*** Nancy B. 2 MIssouri ; (she’s there!)
PG with Thos. Jr. at the time if b. in 1860, or early 1861.
because Charles was born in OHIO, 1852-3, then they moved to MO in 1854-5 or so. Check Charles place born dates 1900 census, et. seq..
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1870, MO, Scotland, Harrison tp.  dates of census taken not given but usually summer to fall, rarely after October.
Thos. 45 OH, farmer, farmer 2 K, not dark enough but readable of names, dates
Mary 39, OH
Chas. 16, MO(sic), Nancy 12 MO   (wm. gone!)
Thos. 10 MO, so born in 1860-
Martin 8; hannah 6; austin 3 male And mary 1 MO.
big gap, some kids missing?
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1880, MO, Scotland, Harrison
Thomas Horn 54, OH, PA/”
Mary A. 49, OH, OH/”
Mart (in) 17
****Tom Horn 19 , MO; so was living there in 1880, too. and ran away AFTER 1880 census.
Carlson was wrong again.
Hannah 15;  Oss (Austin) 12; Maude 11; and Alice 5. all b. MO
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1891, Can census  New Westminster, BC; 23 may 1891, 2 dist.
Thomas horn b. 1825, 66, ma., US, USA/Scotland ;   farmer, to Canada in 1889!!
mary a. 60 US  Baptists.
A. H. (Austin) 23; Alice 16
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1901, Can census New westminster, BC; Delta area.
James b. Laney (sic Loney) 35 b. 17 dec. 1865, Ontario. Irish, Can, Ch. of England;
Bertha A. 25 US
Violet M. 5; john s. 3
Mary A. Horn 70 US  wid., b. 22 Jan. 1831; US, Imm. to Can. 1889!!!!
Xtian, g’mother
all kids b. in BC.
James B. Loney ma. 8 mar. 1895, N. What com, Washington state, US, to Bertha Alice Horn.
aft. bn. Carlton, NB, Can.
Bertha Alice b. 24 Apr. 1875, Granger (Memphis Co. seat), Scotland. MO
d. 10 Dec. 1971, BC; bu. surrey ctr. cem. Cloverdale.
ma. 1st  6 Mar. 1895, N. Whatcom, Whatcom Co, WA, both living in Elgin BC, near Vancouverr, to Jame Bennett Loney d. 31 jul12 1935, and next  ma. to Robert Andrew Brown.
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1900, CO, Boulder , boulder;  enum. distr 161, 16 June.
Horn, Charles b. Jan. 1850, very clear, 50  (not true); MO PA/OH, also fa. b. OH
driver for grocery ma. ca. 1875 in MO, clearly
Elizabeth July 1855, 45 6/5, KY Ger/”
Inez sept 1884 MO; Carrie A. (caroline) Feb. 1888.
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1880, KS, Reno, Valley tp. 3 jun.; ED 300
Charles Horn 27 (1852-3), MO stock raiser!! raised cattle, and hated rustlers!
Eliz. 27 Ky
Laura 4 MO; & Mary Ann 2.born KS!!!!
and laborers Shepherd, Samuel 27 ill, KY/”;;; Purdy, Wm. M. 22 Mo KY/”
so 6/5 in Boulder, and there; after kids were born, so likely in KS?
where other living 3 kids?
KS 1885 census or in 1895? back to Mo. by 1885, or earlier.
no evidence on Ks state cens but 1885 not available tho extent.
wife, Eliz. blattner horn, b. 1854, d. 1940
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1910, Colorado census wrote Chas. was b. in Ohio, which is a first. came after Tom’s death, someone told him?, 1930, consistently after that. also mom from VA, too.
teamster for brewery co., likely Coors?
on charles Horn. b 1 jan. 1852, coshocton, OH (presumed), 1 year after parents ma, BTW in later dec. 1850, so fits.
d. 7 nov. 1930, Boulder, bu. columbia cem.
ma. 29 Nov. 1874, Clark Co., MO, to Elizabeth (Lizzie). Blattner, b. 21 jul 1854, Alexandr, campbell co., KY
d. 22 apr. 1940, Boulder, b. columbia cem. wtih bro.
d/o Henry blaettner, 1822 to 1895, and Eleonora MIller 1824 to 1901.
So another MIller connection!!!
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1. Laura horn meeder, b. 4 jan. 1876 in Scotland, MD. d. 20 sept 1903 in boulder, bu columbia; she was ill,
2.Mary Ann Horn crandall , b. 1879, Reno co., KS, , d. 15 feb. 1969, San Diego CA, ashes unk.
3. Eliz. horn russell b. 7 oct. 1882, Wichita, KS, d. 15 mar. 1973, Denver, Co, bu. columbia cem.
4. Inze nancy horn johnson b. 15 sept. 1885, Etna, scotland, MO; d. 17 aug. 1955, bu. boulder with sibs.
5. Carrie A. horn O’Neal b. 2 feb. 1888, etna Scotland MO; d. boudler,  bu. columbia
so some time after 1888 moved to colorado!!!
Listed in CW records for 1862 from MO.
no btm of page trees for thos, horn.
This is a huge, very detailed genealogy as above and needs to be added to the above records.
1850, PA, Wash co., buffalo tp. where the horns once were
18 sept.
hugh craig. 55 PA
Hannah L. 55 PA
Margaret a. 24; Hugh m. 20; Jos. f. 17; Wm. b. 16; Hannah jr. 14
Thomas b. 10,
Alexander R. Craig. 22
Sarah g. 20
Martha Craig 78 mother ireland NOT scot, either!!!
Anna Craig 33, likely sister. PA,
1840, PA wahsington, buff tp.
next to hugh craig age 40-50, and that’s him, too.
Martha Craig age 60-70 which was 1770-1779 and that’s her and wid.
fdinagrave. hugh craig b. 5 mar. 1789, d. 13 nov. 1832, claysville cem., wash. co., PA
Martha craig, w/o hugh craig live from 1762 to 1814, sh d. 15 junl 1852, and was about 80,
bu. s. buff cem., in claysville, Wash. co., PA
Husband was Pvt. Alexander Craig bu. same place. rev. war?
.b.  1762;  d,. 12 apr. 1814; son elezer craig. 1811 to 1863.
All those Alexanders the case, this was Hannah’s bro and parents, likely.
Comment by Dana Kelly on December 31, 2013 at 2:22pm

I am looking for any information on Martha Kerr. She married Alexander Craig and they settled in Washington Co., PA. I found some information that suggested that the Kerr and Craig families came to America on the same ship. They both came from County Down, Ireland. Martha was born 1772 and died 15 Jan 1852 in Buffalo, Washington County, PA. Alexander was born in 1759 and died 17 Aug 1811 Buffalo, Washington County, PA. I have a letter written by their grandson, John Henderson Craig, to his sister, Martha (Craig) Darby, wife of John Wesley Darby. He is the son of Hugh Craig and Hannah Henderson. It mentions relatives…Aunt Henderson, Wesley, Alexander, Squire McLain, Hugh, Uncle James, Seth, Uncle Thomas, Aunt Drusilla

btm. of page is this.
John Craig b. 1762 Londonderry, Ireland
Migrated to USA about 1778
Married Mary Patterson about 1782 Washington County, PA
Died 1824 Clark Township, Coshocton County, OH !!!!!!
Son William Craig born 1785 Washington County, PA
Married Margaret Davidson 1805 Jefferson County, OH
Died 1853 Clark Township, Coshocton County, OH    !!!!!!